Impartial Comments

Bill Cosby had a point when he told the men to get up and take care of your kids (children).

However, I disagree when he speaks about the use of slang and his disgusted demeanor he has about blacks not working, getting out of the ghetto and doing for themselves.

If he wants to do something to help, he can give educational grants and start positive educational-self-help programs for communities around the US and not criticize.

Cosby's comments were both right and wrong.

Yes, America's black poor families are struggling. The lower black class has given up. You don't see any parenting, structure in the home, and we are losing our children at a fast pace. The problem with Cosby's approach is that for the intelligent human being he is, he failed to recognize the vast array of historical and social problems that plague our communities to this day. I refuse to believe that the lower class does not want to succeed and that today's problems can not be turned around. Instead of smashing the spirits and voicing his disgust with the poor, he could of taken the opportunity somewhere in his speech to uplift.

The leaders of yesterday didn't solve every social problem of today. Doors have been opened but they are not accessible to everyone. Our community and children are still targeted. I come from the lower class Cosby is referring to: A family with two parents and four siblings. Two of us chose higher education and two did not. Did my parents fail on the first two? No, I just believe that we in the black community need to constantly reinforce the values, hope, and life that are attainable in spite of all that surrounds us: Poor education, lack of family structure, and lack of hope.

Cosby's comments were a slap in the face to all who are out there working hard to make it. He basically gave the impression that he doesn't like black culture and is embarrassed by black America. I stand up for the lower class and believe that they (including myself) are amongst the brightest of minds, over comers, not moved by the plight or the road in front of them, but survivors searching diligently for hope and someone to say I hear you and lets make it together.

Dyson is right on point. Cosby's harshness should have been pointed at the people targeting our communities. Although I believe in ones obligation and responsibility to choose the right paths, we need to do a better job of making those paths attainable.

I believe that both men are right.

However, we as African-Americans need to step up to the plate as a people. Especially the Black men that need to get it together and reclaim the leadership within the communities that we live in.

We must unite and stop fighting and work in the same direction to pull our people out of the gutter.

Collectively we can do this.

I think that Bill Cosby raised some very important points.

I'm a 24 year old college student and I found myself thinking some of the same things about the younger people in my neighborhood.

But in the same instance I found that I have a responsibility as a productive young black member of society to explain to some of the misguided young members of our black community how the world works.

Since we will continue to carry on, we as a people, especially the younger generation, have to make an effort to improve ourselves. But Mr. Cosby has to remember that younger people today struggle too.

With the declining number of positive black role models or at least the lack of exposure to them publicly, I believe it is difficult for many youth to find their own identity. They adapt the attitudes of many people around them, which unfortunately aren't always positive.

I think both Dr. Dyson and Dr. Cosby have valid points which should be expounded upon in an open forum, devoid of interpretation by mass media outlets.

What I find most disturbing is that both of these learned individuals continued a custom long held in high regard within the Black community. That is to say "your elders and the wise men and women in the village have both the right and the duty to take us to task, individually and collectively, when we fail in our mission to protect our history, our legacies and the intelligencia of the kinship group.

It is my sincere hope that someone who really loves Bill Cosby will convince him to commit to a dialogue.

Much like the lunch date with the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakan, this will be a lunch date that will turn into a six hour confab.

Please ask Dr. Cornell West to mediate.

Love you both.

Perhaps the debate is being clouded by the real issue which may be illustrated by the following item:

The April 16, 2002 edition of the Canadian Medical Association Journal stated that visible minorities (20% of the general population) constitute 32.4% of the first year students in medical school. Bobby Yanagawa, representing University of Toronto's 800 medical students, said "Ethnically we're quite diverse but we're skewed towards the higher income brackets."

Perhaps the real issue is the disadvantaged which every community has to some degree.

The movie Gosford Park underlined this fact for me. The servant class was treated very badly, though they were ethnically the same.

No doubt Mr. Dyson is right about the need for equal opportunity which European strategies like free tuition and universal health care would assist.

No doubt that Mr. Cosby is right that there are best practices which we all need to be aware of for our children.

Both Mr. Cosby and Mr. Dyson care about and want the best for young people.

My wife has taught in public elementary schools, in large and small cities, for almost thirty years. She is as good and dedicated a teacher as you can find. She strives to bring all the students together. She knows no barriers of race, religion, or handicap.

It is as clear as day to her that THE problem in public school education has almost nothing to do with issues of race or religion or handicap, but instead with the level of encouragement and preparation that each child rings to the classroom. Schools will never replace parents. And the number of parents who bring children into this world without the view that "my child will do better, and be better prepared than me" is astonishingly large. How can a parent not understand the importance of their child's education?

Crumbling schools are a disgrace. Old books should be replaced. But the Calculus can be taught in a crumbling school with old books if the students are prepared and motivated. If they are not, a new school and new books will not help.

Believe me, I find America's stinginess and lack of commitment for our most important services (health and education) for our most important asset (our children) disheartening. But even more disheartening is the large number of children whose parents don't seem to understand the most basic concepts of parental responsibility.

In the Constitution, it does not say the "guarantee of happiness" but says the “pursuit of happiness."

In brief, I believe that every culture and race has its problems. It's when a culture embraces and owns these problems that good things occur.

Stereotypes do have a basis for existing. They are not totally false.

Using a sense of humor is sometimes hard. But we must strive to be "American" and end this Civil Rights Industry that keeps us hating and adopting adversarial attitudes that make these "leaders" money and keep us all down.

I enjoy your work. My hat is off to you.

Sincerely,
A white man who loves America

I remember walking through Central Park in the 1960's, when free speech seemed to be churning everywhere, passing other young, like-minded black and white brothers and sisters in the street, there was an unspoken connection.

It was reflected in our music, the radio was playing Sly Stone "Stand, for the things you know are right, it’s the truth that the truth makes them so uptight, Stand, they will try to make you crawl, and they know what your sayin’ makes sense and all, Stand, don’t you know that you are free, well at least in your mind if you want to be."

Our music, art and culture was screaming against the war, the movement reflected Black Power, Say it Loud, I’m Black & I’m Proud, Love the One Your With, Everyday People, Everybody Is a Star…the list goes on and on and on and on.

My friends were white, black, brown, and red. I believed in the vision of equality. I raised my children on the vision of equality for all men. I still believe in this vision.

Racism begins in the home. When my son was a victim of a random act of violence, the neighbors asked if we planned to move. The strongest message I could give my son was that we were not going to be forced out of our home because we encountered some bad folk within a race.

You cannot condemn a race. There are good and bad in all races. This was the message my son took away with him in life. He carries that torch of freedom wherever he goes and it is a mother's joy to behold that the vision can live and will live if taught to our offspring.

I think Michael Dyson has a firm grasp on the many intersections of responsibility and parenting where it concerns racism and our society's assignation of blame. What Mr. Dyson and Dr. Cosby both share is an incredibly valuable education and experience as black men within our racist institutions. What both fail to criticize, however, is our educational institutions' accessibility in the face of profit-making commercial influences. Education has become a business. I know - I am a teacher, a parent, and have raised children in the white community as a single, poor mother. As a 53 year-old woman, I hope to pay off my student loans before I die.

I believe Dr. Cosby is right in his high expectations for parents and children but believe, as Mr. Dyson articulates, that we must level responsibility in our own sphere of influence. Mr. Cosby could do poor and minority communities, who struggle daily, a great service by inviting the education and legislative leaders to turn the mirror around and a close look hard into what they refuse to see. Education funding, internal administrative functioning, economic barriers to education, etc. is a collective problem that requires personal responsibility by the marginalized, but does not let the more affluent off the hook.

Sadly, we have lost the concept of the "common good" to the worldview of capitalism.

I really do believe both Cosby’s and Dyson’s philosophy can contribute to the plight of African-Americans.

Bill Cosby is correct by placing the ills of the black community on African-Americans. We as a people must (not the infrastructure) take ownership of our community. I do believe parenting is at an all time low in our community. One of the reasons it is like this is due to our acceptance of single parent households. I cannot for the life of me understand why in 2005 we as a culture do not understand the significance of the black family. I do understand what made us like this. If you get a chance read the book "Malcolm X on Afro-American History," Malcolm poignantly shows the effects of the slave trade and how it destroyed the black family. I have a problem with us knowing the effects of slavery and not attempting to reverse those demons that have haunted us even today.

I am a high school teacher so I am a primary witness of the lack of parenting in our community. This lack of parenting infects our community like a cancer. Black women are not raising their boys to be men. This is due to the absence of a father. What you begin to have is a lot of breast fed boys who do not grow into self-sufficient men. We cannot blame or sugar coat this cycle of destruction. We will continue to fall if this curse is not reversed.

Bill Cosby is wrong to talk to black people as if he has no connection with his community. As mad as my students will make me at times with their settlement for mediocrity I will never call them "those people". I am encouraging and uplifting like Michael Eric Dyson. That is why he is my favorite author. I LOVE YOU BROTHER!

Is Bill Cosby right?

In some respects yes, because he feels the hurt, like we all do, deep down inside. It’s frustrating to the point that you want it to change so badly. So let’s hold folks responsible.

Was it right to pick on poor blacks, not at all. However, I understand his pain. He has done so much for the black community in terms of image and has given his time and money. Why hasn't it worked is the feeling.

The blanket statements he made to individuals who do not understand the history of black culture and even more, to single out poor blacks, is unheard of. Those individuals need a hand, not a slap in the face. Yes, we have to hold individuals responsible but that is not the way to go about it. That helps nobody.

This is a vicious cycle. If we are going to criticize let’s do it from all angles; from the poor rappers to the Black middle class.

Bill Cosby is so far removed that he’s on the outside looking in. The revolution has to begin from within.

Let’s all be responsible collectively and "give a hand, not slap a hand."

I attended Dr. Dyson's speech at Philander Smith College. Dr. Dyson, I am an admirer of yours, but you overstate your case as a protector for the poor.

Nowhere in your speech do you give people a recipe for achievement. Maybe, this could be a subject for your next book. Tell us how you went from point A to point B. Share some of the hurdles you overcame and the people who helped you.

How did you overcome the temptations of the street life? Since you were a teen father, did you fully participate in your child's life? Did you marry your baby's mother? How did you motivate your child to achieve?

I think you articulate the problems well, but should spend part of your speech on solutions.

Bill Cosby selected an inappropriate venue and audience for this speech.

His choice of phrasing was exceedingly negative.

I had the opportunity to see you speak for the first time on the Bill Maher show.

While I didn't agree with most of your opinions, I did agree with your reaction to the democratic position. You were very effective in portraying the position of most Democrats who sit back and wait on public opinion without standing up and getting behind their opinions. I am a republican, but was happy to see the way you called out the democrats to get a vision and push an agenda.

I support the right to an individual’s personal agenda and views. It was nice to see you support the fact that you have to have an opinion and stand up for it, rather than attacking someone else's views as a political tactic.

I am not sure who is right because these two men never debated these issues face to face.

Both have valid points, and Dr. Dyson comes across with the perfect rebuttal for each argument except for the one pertaining to why parents spend $500 on a pair of sneakers and not $250 on hooked on phonics.

Currently I am reading Dr. Dyson's book and many thoughts have come to mind about poverty, access to education, employment, and single mothers. And after being in this country for so many years why we as black people struggle harder than any other race to make it day in and day out.

There is animosity in the black community amongst educated blacks and non-educated blacks.

How can we breakdown all of the animosity that exists with our people?

I think Cosby is right. I also think Dyson is right, judging from his interview in the New York Times.

People need to be empowered and they also need to take responsibility. These are two halves of the same story. To deny either is to get the story wrong.

My own limited personal experience comes from having taught in the South Bronx for four years. I can't say that the message that came across to the kids from the faculty on the whole was empowerment. But some of them made it to college and good careers anyway. Still, I remember some of the kids who didn't get it. I'd like to take another try at them today.

I think Bill Cosby was talking more about a culture of anti-responsibility rather than about the unwillingness of the middle-class to work on building up empowerment by supporting education.

It's really hard to teach someone who is convinced going in that the enterprise is worthless.

I appreciate the broader context that has been laid out in this book.

To simply say Bill Cosby is wrong and allow the focus to be on if he should or shouldn't have said the things he said would be to miss a prime opportunity to explore accountability on all sides of the street.

I believe this book opens the door for that and encourages everyone to organize forums within your cities to confront the divide within the African-American community that prevents us from reclaiming the collective power that sits at the side of the road.

We have to RESPECT ourselves enough to take RESPONSIBILITY for our REALITY!!!

The question of who is right has no direct answer.

On one hand you can say that person A is right and person B is wrong, but the question cannot be answered so simply. Why is person A right in what they say? Why is person B wrong in what they say? These are all aspects that you must consider in order to answer such a question.

The question at hand is in itself flawed, since your answer will ultimately be bias on whether you like Bill Cosby or not, or your financial status (either you’re poor, middle class, or rich). I fall into the middle class, which would then seem likely that I shall say that Mr. Cosby is right, but I cannot justify what Mr. Cosby said, for I do not know how it feels to work for long hours at a time and still barely have enough to get by. I don't know how it feels to live in a rough environment where you must be aware of killers that live next door. So my view on who is right cannot be considered a factor. So to sum up my answer to your question, I believe Mr. Dyson and Mr. Cosby are both right.

Mr. Cosby is right for saying that it is up to the individual to rise up against all this but Mr. Dyson is right for saying that you cannot jump on the poor for their ways. This is what I believe to be true.

Some of the statements that Cosby made did have a ring of truth to them that I don’t believe any of us can deny. And although I was disappointed in the tone and the manner of venom that Cosby used to point out those truths, it wasn’t his venom that bothered me the most. What bothered me the most was the fact that Cosby didn’t see those truths as merely symptoms of the real problems. He made those comments as if they were the root causes of black poverty in America.

Cosby is focusing on the symptoms of the black poor: the names, the clothes, the music, the lack of education, the fatherless children, the crime, etc. I believe that those must be dealt with as well. But, at the end of the day, those are the results of a much deeper problem. They are not the cause. The poverty came decades before the names, the clothes, the music, and the education.

There is no doubt in my mind that the symptoms that Cosby talked about are the consequences of the effect that the legacy of slavery and institutionalized racism have had on the mindsets and habits of poor blacks, which manifests itself in a lack of personal responsibility. When you combine that lack of personal responsibility with the economic, social, political, and other structural barriers that poor blacks are up against, you have a recipe for failure. That is what we are experiencing in the lives of the majority of our impoverished youth.

Dyson hit it right on the head.

I think what the conservative often forgets is that a difficult upbringing, and living and being poor, only add another weight or two to a scale that is already burdened, already slung like a chain around the neck of the person who hopes to make a good life for himself or his children.

Whereas the advantages of being well off, being white, being well-connected, well-educated, being from an educated and connected ancestry, work as a buoyancy device to lift the aspirant up, to lighten the load, to make the path straighter and easier.

There is a rule of accumulated advantages. And it’s opposite. The more you got the more you get, regardless of how smart you are or how charming or how skilled.

This is not to say that kids deserve to get executive internships if they wear their pants around their ankles or pierce themselves and tattoos themselves up like freaks. I think these stupid, self-defeating behaviors ought to be discouraged, perhaps even laughed at.

But to say that the poor earn their plight is wrong.

Sometimes people are poor because they are not the sort of people who will ever be hired. Problems, handicaps, lack of simple life-skills, low intelligence, poor attention or poor attendance, these all are marginally more characteristic of people near the bottom. But they are not necessarily the fault of the persons who are handicapped. Do the poor deserve their problems, or do their problems make them poor? Are employers entitled to criticize those whom they will not hire, who they do not feel responsible for? No. These people are still human, and deserve help more than criticism. The bright people who behave stupidly, at every socioeconomic level, in every racial group, deserve ridicule and concern and love. "Pull up your pants!" yes. But we should aim our criticism at the style setters who have lots of money, the style sellers who prey on the kids, the opinion makers who make easy criticisms and glib, shallow comments, and the greedy haves who use the poster children of poverty as objects of ridicule, as a justification for their own greed.

I half agree with Mr. Cosby. But he is rich. I cringe at the goofballs I see, but I am a white liberal, who am I to criticize? I hate giving Rush Limbaugh ammunition by offering up easy stereotypes. But it is worse somehow to give him reason to crow, and to say the conservative juggernaut is right about the century of Roosevelt and Johnson. I still think it’s a shame to throw those fruits away just as they are ripening.

I believe Mr. Dyson and Mr. Cosby both make valid points.

I do not believe it is moral to pick on poor people simply for being poor. However, to point out that someone has not taken advantage of educational opportunities, has not taken advantage of employment training, or taken advantage of other resources available to all of us to assist us in bettering ourselves is common sense.

I do believe Cosby is correct to challenge young people to improve their behavior. How many more teen pregnancies are we going to see when a young girl expects her mother, aunt or grandmother to raise her fatherless child?

Mr. Dyson is one of the most articulate, thoughtful commentators on the social/political scene today. But to consider hip-hop culture as anything but a materialistic, money-oriented, sexist movement of rowdy young men who like to party - and many of the entertainers in the culture are now millionaires for it - is overlooking the obvious.

And, the music is monotonous.

First and foremost, allow me to say that I am a young, Caucasian male who lives in an affluent suburb of Northern New Jersey when not at school in Delaware.

For Dr. Dyson and others reading this post, this admission may give my words immediate illegitimacy. While I find this possibility discouraging, I don't much care how they think of me or my opinion. The fact remains I feel strongly enough to write because as a human being and as an American, I take interest in human beings and Americans. I'm certain many in my position would say things along the lines of, "but I have tons of black friends", or, "my parents raised me to look at everyone the same way." While this may be true (and both are indeed true in my case) they are largely irrelevant points. The debate over whether Dr. Dyson or Mr. Cosby is "right" really covers up what ought to be the focus of this issue.

Dr. Dyson is a highly accomplished and intellectual man, a superb writer and thinker to boot. Guess what? He has a similarly accomplished ego. Bill Cosby is similar in that as a man who rose from poverty to affluence and status and wealth, he too has an ego that comes as a seemingly unavoidable consequence of fame. For this reason, I take little from what Mr. Cosby or what Dr. Dyson say. Both are right in some ways, and wrong in others. Dr. Dyson is to be applauded for his standing up to Mr. Cosby's criticism of the way African Americans name their children. I'm no expert on African American culture, but if Black parents choose to name their children Chaun (instead of Sean) or Shaniqua (instead of Sherry, or something similar) then good for them in that they refuse to believe their children must completely assimilate to majority status to have success. Conversely, Dr. Dyson's outright refusal to focus on anything but societal barriers in the plight of the African American poor is a dangerous and irresponsible stance to take. Guess what, Dr. Dyson? Poverty stricken African Americans aren't helped by you telling them that no matter what they do they are screwed. They have no political clout (just being realistic) and won't change the system from the outside-in. Irish Americans (like my ancestors) came to this country as a minority. They were disliked for their speech and their culture, among other things. They lamented the fact they could not change the system, yet Irish intellectuals were not writing books telling them that they needed big government to have any chance at realizing America's opportunity. Conformity on some levels is not weak, and highly necessary. Our capitalistic and pro-growth economy means only those who work hardest will be richest. Yes, I run the risk of sounding naive, and I won't deny numerous external factors go towards riches. Yet what should the poor African American class believe, Dr. Dyson? Your doomsday rhetoric that all poor African Americans have nominal control over their fate is shameful: shame on you for eliminating the hope of at least one young boy or girl who has ambition and looses it after reading your book. Perhaps many in this society (black, white, muslim and asian) are controlled by society to the point they cannot succeed. This is a sad but honest truth, I must admit. However, what does Dr. Dyson contribute by telling his country-men that speaking Standard English and establishing traditional family values are useless? He adds to the problem, not detracts from it.

The truth is, a middle ground must be found between Dr. Dyson and Mr. Cosby's views. That being said, both men deserve praise for taking an interest in the plight of their fellow men. However, in choosing the polar extremes to stand on, they leave poor African Americans sinking in the middle. Who should they believe? Mr. Cosby, who seems to suggest they all need to be perfectly-white-in-every-way or, Dr. Dyson, who assures them that the structure of society relegates them to perpetual suffering?

The beauty of this country goes hand in hand with its ugliness: the ability for it to change is bogged down by the difficulty of change. I should hope that African American poor fight for their right to live free of the slums and ghettos in spite of the fact it is not an easy fight. Our country has succeeded in many ways not because the problems facing it were small, but that its citizens resolve was huge.

Tough call.

I am white and grew up in New Haven, CT., attending a racially mixed inner city high school. There is much Cosby says I agree with. I personally know black kids in my children’s schools who wear $125.00 Nikes, yet live with their parents in falling down wrecks of homes, dirty and in extreme disrepair.

I agree that education is the key to changing one's economic situation and that many poor people do not put the premium on education that they should. I agree that certain types of entertainment are detrimental, although I believe we all have the right to listen to what we choose.

I do feel Cosby was far too vituperative and personal in his attacks. Many poor, not just black poor, really are not shown any way out of their circumstances, and if the parents don't know, how can the kids? One positive to all this is that you can publicly disagree violently with each other and the argument stays on an intellectual level.

At my high school a Black math teacher who voiced the same sentiments as Cosby (this was 1969, mind you) in possibly more pointed and caustic words was beaten by several black students and never returned to school. This is at least a small forward step. As with everything racial (and I am in the generation that has had race in the forefront almost forever), I still believe that education and time are the keys.

NOTHING changes immediately, especially not prejudice and preconceptions.

Thanks for reading.

Both men have the SAME goal..."A Proud Race."

Both men clearly articulate many of the problems that "plague" African-Americans here in the US. Although Mr. Cosby’s comments may have been somewhat “disparaging,” he clearly said what is truly on the minds of many black people. He addressed the many issues of the negative impact of the so-called “hip-hop culture,” and the “Ghetto” mentality, which still pervades our race.

Mr. Cosby and Mr. Dyson are BOTH correct!! Their perspectives are different, but it is the same message that many of our black leaders have been echoing for decades, “Learn from our past, Build a better future.”

I applaud the efforts of both men for saying what really needs to be said. The time has come for all black people to stop with the excuses and make positive progress. There’s a quote I was all but forced to learn while in middle school from a black teacher that I did not like much. As fate would have it, this principle has guided me through many obstacles in my life, both professional and personal.

It says:

“Excuses are the tools of incompetence, which erects monuments of nothing and those who specialize in them never accomplishes anything.”

I saw this teacher 22 years later and thanked her. No more excuses Black People. Wake Up!!

I first learned of Mr. Cosby's controversial statements in a L.A. Times article supporting Mr. Dyson's book. And reading excerpts of Mr. Cosby's words I thought: here's another episode of too many like-minded people in the same room drinking and laughing. Trent Lott learned this lesson the hard way. Now it was Bill Cosby's turn.

I decided to read Mr. Dyson's book, which the article presented as a fair-and-balanced review of Mr. Cosby's statements in the context of the social and economic realities of today's African-American. I thought this is great. Two sides attracting the much-needed attention to an on going and evolving situation. I can respect that.

But after reading Mr. Dyson's book, I must say that the net result was Bill Cosby, 1, Michael Eric Dyson, 0.

Mr. Dyson's characterization of Cosby's statements and his rebuttals were about as fair and balanced as a Sean Hannity pep-rally. If Mr. Dyson truly believed that Mr. Cosby's statements were wrong, why not just provide the contrary facts and leave it at that? Instead, Mr. Dyson attacks Mr. Cosby on so many personal levels that Mr. Dyson's primary interest becomes clear: attacking Bill Cosby's fame and airing his alleged dirty laundry to hoist his own myopic agenda.

Both Mr. Cosby and Mr. Dyson should stop worrying about what the white man is going to think or what the white man is going to say. Bill Cosby is trying to light a fire and that is commendable. Michael Eric Dyson offers little more than the standard “it's the white man's fault and nothing's going to change until the white man changes his evil ways” approach.

I respect Mr. Dyson's right to his point of view, but if he's waiting on better books in the classroom before the poor will be able to improve themselves, then in my opinion he is more part of the problem than part of the solution.

In my truest of hearts, I believe both parties have valid points on the state of our people.

I think Bill Cosby, though exaggerated in his view, raises some vital issues our people need to address. On the counter, Michael E. Dyson brings about the light of reason as to why our people live and breathe this impoverished mentality we call culture.

Originally from Brooklyn, NY, I lived in the projects with our "poor" class brothers and sisters. I walked to and from the Projects for 18 years, and was subjected to the "school system" set in place for me. I spoke the language of my peers. I wore the trendy "baggy" clothes and have seen family member after family member wear those "orange suits" Cosby so eloquently describes. I also attended college and worked towards an associate degree in criminal justice. I moved out of the projects and into the world of suburbia.

Now described as a middle-class African American at the age of 21, my comment is this: I don’t know who is right or who is wrong. I honestly don’t even care. Spending our time debating who has validity in their opinion, or who is race bashing is not the point at hand. The point at hand is US, BLACK PEOPLE!!

What are we going to do? I don’t care how we dress or how we speak because those things make up a culture we invented ourselves. No person, Black or White, can truly understand the effect of the barbaric, tumultuous, and emotional effects our people have endured for 500 years.

When an entire culture is in search of its soul and deep-rooted identity, it cannot be judged so harshly. We don’t need to oppose each other. We need to unify and work towards a solution to our many problems. We need to understand what each other goes through. For I can bond with any poor Black person in this country because we share one thing than can never be articulated, nor described. Its something you have to experience to understand. And that one thing is POVERTY!!

Bill Cosby and Michael E Dyson are two extraordinary people of our times, hands down. Why don’t the two sit down and problem solve each issue being debated. The first problem may be the most difficult to solve in my opinion. And that problem is this: How do you uplift and unify a people who are still searching for a soul, a culture, a tradition, and a reason to not give up when they are constantly being bombarded with criticism, alienated from those whom they seek understanding? (AKA, our elders)

I kind of straddle the fence on this one.

I do think some of the activities and behavior of Blacks in poorer communities are inexcusable. However, I think there is a reason so many of our people underachieve academically, socially, financially, etc.

I have a friend who is currently teaching in a summer school program in DC. She said the lack of parental involvement in their children's education is the reason so many of her students can't read at the age of 9, but can recite music lyrics and mimic dance moves seen in a video.

Maybe it's because these parents and children don't think they're actually capable of doing better? Or maybe they have a "why bother" attitude? I don't know what the solution is, but I know what it isn't.

Rejection and isolation from the Black middle class is not the way solve this problem.

I believe Bill Cosby makes a good statement when he says that black people have to take responsibility for their social problems.

But as a nation it is not just a black problem but a societal problem, which should be conquered not only by the individuals who are affected but also by our nation to build a greater nation.

I recently attended a panel discussion at the Harlem Book Fair 2005 where Michael Eric Dyson was a panelist.

I appreciated hearing Professor Dyson's point of view, because I had no intention of buying his recent book, based on it's title which implies that either Bill Cosby is right or the Black middle class has lost its mind.

I don't believe either to be mutually exclusive. There has always been a dialogue, and there continues the need for dialogue amongst and between the classes of Black folks and those of us with differing views.

Professor Dyson made the valid point that Bill Cosby's methods of public outcry may be questionable, but I have to equally question Dyson's attempt to profit financially with book sales by slinging mud in an equally offensive mode of public outcry with his book's title. Why not write your book, entitle it something more to the point of a solution to the so-called problem, with the sub-title "A response to Bill Cosby"?

I hope that Dyson's publishers suggested the title. Whoever suggested it, it seems to be a ploy to ride on Bill Cosby's coattails (come on!? was the photo of Cosby really necessary?!).

Too much attention to what appears to be in fighting has always been the method of the enemy - divide and conquer. This book just seems to be fanning flames on a situation that makes us all look rather childish and immature.

Mike I have some great Ideas!

You need to have quiet neighborhoods for the kids to learn, study, and grow, without having to go through gang infested streets with drug dealers on every corner.

The White majority who rule right now are not going to give you the kind of schools that enable higher education. They will keep the poor pockets poor and not give the money that is needed to facilitate higher education, i.e. good quality computers, books, and teachers. They know what it takes to fund a good quality school, but they are not going to spend that kind of money in such poverty stricken areas. They prefer to keep people in those areas 50 yard behind the starting line.

In closing the correction to your problem that was discussed on CSPAN2 (07/23/05) needs to be dealt with by the individual family.

I think the question is not who is right and who is wrong, but what can we do or say so that Black America will benefit and move forward.

We must be careful not to put people on Dr. Cosby's side or Dr. Dyson's side, but learn from their experience. The question is what did we learn from both men? The lesson is when an inexperienced person makes a statement that is harmful, but not done so purposely, then we must take the good and the negative and learn from it.

Both of these great black men are unique and helpful. We must not have one mistake divide us, but let it unite us to iron out the issues and use the solution to unite the masses.

I just saw Mr. Dyson on C-SPAN (07/23/05) at the Harlem Book Festival speaking about Cosby's comments.

My thoughts are these: The economy is built on the class system, and as long as the almighty dollar exists, so will the class system. We cannot eradicate the class system, but what we can do is keep helping people move out of the class level they are in to the next rung, and when the new low class crops up, we can then get them out so that the system is mobile.

The other issue is that Cosby talks about the lower class in generalities as if all lower class people act in negative ways. I agree with what Dyson says about the lower class being virtuous and having a work ethic, but Dyson is doing what Cosby is, but with an opposite cause. Dyson is making generalities about the lower class of blacks when he says and implies that they are all moral, work-minded people victimized by Cosby. This is not the case, and Dyson should say some, not all blacks, follow a Civil Rights mindset.

Some black people (as well as other race and ethnic groups) regardless of class level act low-class and this is their choice. My cousin refuses the food that welfare gives her because it doesn't taste good and now her children have absolutely nothing to eat. My friend, who works for HUD, went to report on the condition of one black woman's house and she invited him to her bedroom in order to try to get a favorable report.

We need to be realistic and talk about the dirty laundry if we really want to solve the problem(s). My point: Generalities are just as dangerous as stereotypes and racism.

Cosby or Dyson? Dyson or Cosby?

Is it the name or the message that is relevant?

This doesn't seem to me to be a contrast between night and day or between Clarence Thomas and Jesse Jackson. In that vein, I will be inclusive because I discern that Cosby and Dyson have a critique of black America as a challenge for progress on their minds.

But I will frown on Cosby for letting hate and hatred taint his message. For what has black progress got to do with the naming of your child, be it Leniqua or Chareeda or Shaniqua? I bet you Cosby became successful because he has a European name. Malcolm X would be rolling in his grave now! Also, dress could be a symbol of self-assertion, acculturation or protest.

While not condoning the dropping of your pants to the knees, would Cosby be so intellectual in looking at the etymology of black dressing styles?

I respect Cosby for his generosity in the black community, but he needs to refine the delivery of his message.

As far as Dyson is concerned, I respect him for his insightful and dialectic analysis. He tacitly points to Cosby that acculturation is not sui generis a holistic road map to progress.

I am glad to say that we have finally come to the point of awareness, and Bill Cosby has opened the door.

I partially agree with Cosby and I think his comments have awakened Black America and forced many of us to take a hard look in our society. Dr. Dyson is brilliant and it is expressed in his books and his speeches.

I am glad that two great minds are in discussions for it has provided African Americans a source to debate and maybe make a change in our culture and trends.

Let us continue our discussions and strive to make Black America better.

"If my mind can conceive it, and my heart can believe it, I know I can achieve it."
--Jesse Jackson

There is undoubtedly discrimination that impedes members of minorities in their quest for accomplishment.

I think Bill Cosby's position is that given the reality of those impediments, minorities are not reaching their available potential because of attitudes prevalent in the minority cultures. If that interpretation of Mr. Cosby’s position is correct, then I think Mr. Cosby is right.

I would love to have a short dialog with Dr. Dyson on race relations. I have unique, first hand experience in the field, but I hold open the possibility that I am in need of enlightenment.

I saw Dr. Dyson on C-Span and was very impressed with the passionate and articulate presentation of his views.

Dyson seems to want to emphasize that the system we live in is not perfect and is the cause for many of the black community’s dilemmas. Cosby seems to want to emphasize that blacks are not doing what they can to make it in the system.

I think both are right, but both need to not fight over it. Yes, the system is not perfect and yes, blacks could be doing more, but neither is the sole cause. It is a combination of both. Saying that one or the other is the sole cause gives a wrong message to blacks and whites. And fighting over it gives an even worse message (Cosby has done more fighting than Dyson).

As a culture, we need to understand that the system is a problem but we can still prevail through it with hard work. Fighting amongst ourselves only makes the system worse.

I do agree with Bill Cosby.

However I disagree with almost every opinion that has been posted in agreement with Cosby. It seems that everyone here is trying to answer Dr. Dyson’s metaphorical question whether Bill Cosby is right or not.

To clear things up, Michael Eric Dyson has never said that Bill Cosby was wrong per say… While I agree with Bill Cosby’s principle argument, his inability to couple it with social, institutional, and historical factors allows people to conclude that the ball is ENTIRELY in the court of Black people in this country. And I am sure many of you disagree with this notion.

We need to have a strategy that is two prone; We need to address the array of the personal responsibility issues many of you have brought up but simultaneously we need to look at many things that will hinder some Black people no matter how “responsible” they are.

Michael Eric Dyson is not making excuses for the Black community nor is he letting Black people off the hook. He is merely telling the other half of the story.

I agree with both Dr. Dyson & Dr. Cosby.

A large section of the African-American population has played a large part in perpetrating the stereotype of "Welfare Mamas" and "Ride-or-Die Thugs." Many young Black youth have chosen the path they think is easiest, getting quick money by stealing it or selling drugs, quitting school and going into lives of crime. Then they’re surprised and upset when they get caught and spend years in jail. By the same token, young African-Americans live within a system that is designed to break them and keep them in a sort of "Invisible Slavery" that forces or encourages delinquent behavior.

In essence, it comes down to personal responsibility and the choices we all make. My background consists of what Dr. Cosby appreciates & apparently detests in today's African-American community. I am a fifth generation college graduate; I am well spoken to the point where most of my Black friends tell me I'm a "Light-skinned White Girl". I come from a long history of scholars, clergy, community leaders, business people, and multi-degree holders. At the same time my parents were never married and my mother is a drug addict who hasn't worked in 7 years. My sister is a single mother with a 2 year old son and one on the way, and my brother has no high school diploma and is about to end up back in jail for violating his probation again.

My life and history, in all its contradiction, shows the spectrum of the African-American experience and both the best and worst of what Drs. Cosby & Dyson have spoken and written about.

I think that both Mr. Cosby and Mr. Dyson made valid points.

While I agree with Mr. Cosby's view that people should exercise personal responsibility, his comments about the way young people dress and speak were offensive and seemed vindictive. I also didn't like the fact that he placed none of his criticism on those in power who could affect change.

I think that it takes a combination of personal responsibility and ambition and opportunities given by society to help people that are struggling to achieve success.

It is very reprehensible to treat this Dyson/Cosby issue as a "who is right/who is wrong" issue, rather than a discourse on the asymmetrical dynamics between blacks and other races in America.

Cosby is right in that he points to some degree of nihilism among blacks in America, but wrong in failing to put his criticism into perspective as well as hating on black identity through his distaste for African names. Dyson, on the other hand, scores a plus because his book analysis is more dialectic, but does a disservice by bringing Cosby's personal life into spotlight.

"Damn the messenger, what's the message?"

I use this phrase to illustrate a point: What Bill Cosby has said is true. You might not like what he said, or when or where he said them, but they are true. The problem that I'm having with this issue is that too many of us, African-Americans, still don't get it. The things Dr. Cosby spoke to are "serious & critical" concerns.

Let's forget for a moment who made these comments. Are they true, or are they false? If they are true, as I believe, then it's not important who said what, but what do we do about it. "Damn the messenger, what's the message?" All of this negative rhetoric serves no real solution to the issues at hand.

Malcolm X once said "By Any Means Necessary." Bill Cosby did what he felt he had to do, just as you have done what you had to do. We must come together as African-Americans, discuss and THEN, do what we need to do so that no one will be able to make the comments that have been made, because they would be false.

I welcome the dialog, as long as we can agree to disagree. We cannot always be right, but we can get together and find "solutions to our issues & our problems." Right or wrong, Dr. Cosby has sent the message! What we do now is up to us as a whole whether or not we address and correct this. I commend you for the opportunity to open the dialog of discussion to this issue and hope that we can get through this and move forward.

Salaam my friend.

Mr. Cosby's comments did what it was intended; to provoke certain "strains" of the African-American community to discuss the voiceless peoples perceived problems. The provoked "strains" are the many members of clandestine groups, Greek fraternal and sororal societies, and other affiliate "social" clubs who seemingly have this "fantasized" view of themselves being a part of a "term" that originated without them in mind; this "term" is so-called "middle-class". Moreover, since it is true that Mr. Cosby travels in and is contemporarily a product of this group, I would suggest viewing his "comments" from their perspective. Similar to the recent statements given by the Mexican President (V. Fox, "blacks don't do the jobs that Mexicans would do..."), Mr. Cosby stated "a" truth, or better a surface truth, but in relation to agreeing or disagreeing with either of their comments there seems to be a bigger picture.

According to social science (a light study), the lower upper to middle-class "set the values and standards on morality and respectability" for the rest of the society (The World Book Encyclopedia, topic: Social Class). And if it’s true, I would like to thank Mr.Cosby, as well as you Mr. Dyson, for the high illiteracy and the B.E.T. like videos (because these poor, ignorant Blacks couldn't run such a network). Also for the victimization of ex-prisoners for the rising H.I.V./AIDS cases amongst "PROFESSIONAL", "EDUCATED" African-American women (no middle-class black American can't have that!) and the many farce programs to save these poor black babies of the future.

In conclusion, it is easy to agree with the surface truth of Mr. Cosby's comments (the way blacks dress, behave, and things of that nature). However the internal class struggle within Cosby's circle (Boule and the like) and those who are not selected for membership amongst them shouldn’t use the issues of poor blacks (aka the voiceless) as a platform to vent "class" discrepancies. However, if Mr. Cosby is being "squeezed" in certain circles, we are all being "squeezed".

With the Hispanic rise to the top minority spot, the recent violence practice by Hispanics against African-Americans in LA, and the appointments of Hispanics by G. W. Bush, it seems that the Mexican president Fox is making digs at African-Americans in the attempt of strengthening the Mexican-American labor force.

In the end, I must thank you Mr. Dyson for your position, however this is too dangerous a time to openly take puck shots at one of our own who is just expressing himself.

Just as I anticipated. The Bill Cosbys and Micheal Eric Dysons of the world are as rhetorical as their white counterparts and Rap stars. There are no solutions offered by either and the cycle continues to roll. I am trying to get my money back for the book. The "poor, black, struggling folk whose lives are an inspiration" for Mr. Dyson, have not been offered a way out of their situation.

Enough of my frustration with those who can make a difference and DON'T.

I am impartial to this issue.

Both Cosby and Dyson bring up very valid points. Cos comes from the school of frustration and tough love and Dyson is more of the nurturing father figure who doesn't believe in kicking folk why they are down.

However there is one thing that neither one addressed clearly. The problem with “poor folk” does not solely lie with them. The problem is the Black Middleclass. Yes, we are the problem. Maybe there are some things that we can't change about the current state of single poor mothers, but we can help these kids that are going through the school systems without proper role models. If single mothers rear 50% of all Black households, than that presents a tremendous disadvantage to the child. Programs like Big Brothers and Big Sisters are designed to provide both adolescent male and females positive role models that are lacking. Currently in Indy there are over 300 Black Little Brothers on a waiting list and I am seeing more and more white mentors to these young African American children.

This presents the question "WHERE ARE ALL OF THESE BLACK PROFESSIONALS, TO STEP UP AND BE A ROLE MODEL?" As a member of Phi Beta Sigma I can only name a few brothers that are actually reaching back and serving as a mentor. All the rest are interested in stepping, pledging and looking cute when a Greek event comes around

If we had more Black male and female mentors we can help solve some the issues that we are currently facing. We have to take the "village" mentality to our youth and not just leave it up to that single mother to solely take care of her child because these will eventually be either the future leaders or future failures in our society.

You both make good points. Cosby may be too hard on poor folk, but you're too soft! I'm reading your book for the second time and will reserve final judgement until I complete the second reading.

I purchased your book for a class on rhetoric. I can't answer the question who do I think is right because I tend to agree with Cosby. But your book has definitely convinced me that he is not ethically eligible to make himself the sudden "leader" of Black America. Logically and statistically, he is uninformed. And his word choices indicate someone who is, as you pointed out, unrehearsed in the vernacular of racial discussion.

On the other hand, there were times when I thought you were being somewhat apologetic, such as the explanation for baggy clothing and the explanation for naming practices.

I agree with Dr. Cosby. I also agree with Dr. Dyson but so far I have yet to buy the book. My issue with Dr. Dyson and those who are quick to take his side is that this should not be a Cosby Vs. Dyson issue. Dr. Dyson should have taken the opportunity to maybe broaden some of the ideas that Dr. Cosby expressed. I believe the behaviors that are exhibited are the result of their parents or the lack of that parental figure. I also see and know that the issue is not with the individual but that there is a pathological issue at hand that needs to be addressed.

I ride the subways through North Philadelphia each day and I have to shake my head at the language that I hear. My own child was assaulted on the same subway and when the children (Girls might I add) were arrested that laughed and continued to taunt other people as they were escorted away in police cars. When the parents of the children were contacted. We found that some could not be contacted and there were others who could not make time to pick these little girls up from the police station

In closing I do understand that there is a structural demon and a vicious cycle but in the end the responsibility for the individual lies in the individual.

One man dares to go against "The Establishment" and dares to point out that personal responsibility might be one of the ills and for that he is banished, persecuted for having another opinion. Has it come this far that no one can have an opinion that is contrarian without vicious repercussions?

I'm Hispanic, I'm not black and seeing you on CNBC…wow…all I can say is that Cosby hit a cord and to write a book excoriating him just proves that he is on to something, THAT YES, HE MIGHT BE RIGHT…. All I can say is why kill the messenger? Your tirade made your host uncomfortable with a "Black middle class person losing HIS mind on TV; perhaps from seeing a human actually froth at the mouth from the frustration that your book title answers itself. I hope you make money and give it away; profiting from this would make you a sellout. We look at Black & White America and shake our heads. What's the American Dream? Overcoming obstacles regardless of who and what color of a person puts it there for you, building a strong family, improving your life here in America, and yes, moving forward from the past and looking towards the future.

Constantly looking in the mirror while driving can get you killed and also detracts from the beautiful scenery of life. I suggest it is time to look around and embrace new ideals because I believe he is on to something. The establishment based their whole existence, their whole life on (A) someone telling them it is (B) would be a colossal embarrassment, so… shut him up, discredit him, make HIM look bad. Poor man, you fail to realize that your message is 'shut up and sit in the back old man'…

I have not heard Bill Cosby's speech in its entirety. Actually, I have only heard what others thought he said and how they felt about it. If a group of blacks were laughing at a speech filled with negative reactions to the women on welfare and a personal distaste of "thug life", my first impression would be that Bill Cosby was performing a ComicView script. NAACP hosted an event that invited "distaste" to be displayed regarding social ills as it relates to black Americans. I thought the very reason they joined such a group was to "solve" these ills not condemn and degrade.

However, I wasn't there. Yet, Michael Dyson has written a book to address this issue. Evidently, not everyone in the room was laughing. I wonder where is the speech written in its entirety because I would like to read it. Especially since I am a single black mother who works and finds herself visiting those social offices from time to time which offer me relief from the financial stresses I face that may not plague the "Bill Cosbys" of the world. I would love to read the speech since I have had to face the angry adult black males in my own home and search the face of my teenage son who was beginning to exhibit the same anger…some call it "thugish" ways…. I see more than that…. I would love to see what Bill Cosby thinks of me.

I agree that Bill Cosby has made some valid points. However, I do not necessarily agree with his point of view. Blaming the victim for his own victimization speaks to Mr. Cosby's distance from and seemingly disdain for poor black people, who are ill equipped to defend against "BIG BROTHER".

I applaud Mr. Cosby for his concern and tremendous philanthropic contributions.

Oftentimes, black folks who have "made it", the so-called middle class, leave the "hood" to move in to the more affluent white areas. These same black folks begin to identify with that new environment and the distance with the "hood" begins to take root.

I do not believe that Mr. Cosby is middle class because multimillionaire status is not indicative of Middle America. I do believe that Mr. Cosby is distant to the social ills, economic ills, educational ills, emotional and psychological ills, cultural ills, criminal justice ills and all the ills of being poor and black in America.

Now that we stated the problem, lets explore some remedies, like volunteering and or working and teaching in the black community. Becoming politically active and holding our representatives to a high standard and bringing them to task, when our interests are not being adequately addressed.

Let us be our own Big Brothers and Big Sisters.

Mr. Cosby, I love you and I ain't mad at you. I'm just concerned that maybe we need to be more proactive and less reactive.

There are aspects of Mr. Cosby's espoused position that I agree with and there are aspects I do not agree with. However, the more important question you should be asking is how cogent is Mr. Dyson's response and why my opinion is being sought on this website on with reference to Mr. Cosby's comments. The repeated commission of a fallacy—Ad homonym, dilutes the strength of Mr. Dyson's arguments. In my opinion, the debate should only center of the substance of Mr. Cosby's arguments rather than on the recitation of his personal strengths and weaknesses. If I must choose between the two positions—an unfortunate situation since there is some merit to be found in each position—I choose Mr. Cosby's perspective as more reflective of my opinions on the subject at hand.

Just this morning I attended a talk of Mr. Dyson's, and was immediately inspired to think and talk more about responsibility - what it means in black culture, white culture, and in addition, how each community has a responsibility to the other. I agree with Mr. Dyson in his wholehearted DISagreement with Cosby's main argument (which seems to be that poor blacks are lazy and ignorant) - and that we must look at American society as a whole when pointing fingers. It is not, as some have taken Dyson's argument against Cosby to mean, that the "poor" are forced into criminality by white supremacy (though in many ways I could see how this could be effectively argued). But that we must first look at the structures and policies affecting the navigation of poverty and THEN we can criticize. It is the triumph of the poor black communities, in banding together against these oppressing structures and creatively and aggressively overcoming them, that is what we should be talking about - not whether or not they buy hooked on phonics (because really, is that how we gage commitment to education?)

Additionally, as a white twenty-year-old college student, I have often felt helpless and very much like an outsider when it comes to discussing race relations in America. Dyson, I feel, through his vocabulary and discussion, empowers and motivates the white community by challenging how we define ourselves. What is whiteness? How can we turn white culture into something we are proud of, rather than something historically built upon the oppression of others? How have we learned from our legacy?

So in closing I would like to note that I do thank Bill Cosby for bringing this up - and Mr. Dyson for responding, powerfully, to Cosby's charge.

As I listened to Nightline recently and well known African Americans debate over the comments of Bill Cosby, I wondered if we as a people are really in touch with ourselves. Publicly we discuss and even argue among ourselves about the number of blacks in the prisons, the parents who are not there for their children, how we spend money on things we don’t need, healthcare or the lack thereof, sexual responsibility and the list goes on. What is not so much discussed is how we very much still emulate the teaching of our former slave masters. As slaves we were stripped of all of dignity and heritage, so we carry on the torch. Those few of us who have the airwave power continue to contribute to the tearing down of our people regularly. Every time I hear blacks in the media publicly or behind our closed doors put down other blacks who have different political/religious views than they have or simply make skin color jokes, we’re saying it’s OK to tear down our community. We don’t have time for jokes, we’re losing as a people and we need all the positive role models we can get. My particular pet peeve is when our “married role models” make babies outside of their marriage and these truths come out publicly; where are the leaders that will stand up and denounce this behavior publicly? I’m not saying we can’t be forgiving, but again do we not realize how many of our men make babies and walk away from the home. Yes, they may pay child support and some may even keep their every other weekend visits, but let’s take a look at our past history for a minute. Remember, the slave masters used slaves as like cattle, to work and procreate. It was never important to the white slave masters that we created families from our sexual unions. We were just making more slaves for them and an unfortunate truth is that males were “mated” with many females to bring about more slaves and families were separated. WHY IN THE YEAR 2005 ARE WE STILL BEHAVING LIKE SLAVES. And what’s even worse, WHY is it still acceptable in our community.
It’s alright to talk about poor blacks kids who walk around wearing tennis shoes that they really can’t afford to have, but let those of us, especially those who consider themselves educated, leaders, media and role models look at this a little deeper before we go public. Let’s get really real when we talk about responsibility in our community. Those of us who call ourselves Christians need to read the bible, really read it, study it because it is rich with our African history and we can’t call ourselves Christians if we don’t know Christ’s history. We need to find ways to help men return home to the family like our bible talks about. We need to help poor people be able to provide for their families and be available to their children so that children are not raising themselves while parents work many jobs to provide. Every opportunity we have to reach our people, teach our people, and break the slave chains, we need to do just that. We have many issues in our community that needs discussion, but my belief is our problem starts with the basic family value. We need to stop lying to ourselves. WE’RE FREE NOW!

You are both right!

I challenged you on Frontpage 102.3FM radio to join forces with Cosby and set a plan of action for our people to follow. I work with youth in South Central Los Angeles, CA and we have a plan in action I wish to share with you. Our foundation is based on Love. I've found our people are in pain.

It's time we stop fighting each other and find common unity (community).

I also went to the Million-Man March and I made the pledge and I’m keeping it. I've created positive things for my community and I'm willing to share with others. I work hard to inspire the youth who are being fed bad images of themselves by rap music, video games, and movies.

I found a way to counter the bad. I donated a movie screen in my old hood so we could feature positive works. Please note that there hasn't been a movie screen in the inner city of South Central Los Angeles, Compton or Watts for 30 years. Why?

Well there's one now!

We must get control of our images. No other race allows it's images be dissed like black folks do.

We teach the world how to treat us.

I LOVE my people!

I think Bill Cosby is right in some regards, but he was a little too harsh in his comments. I really think he could have been more constructive in the comments he made instead of blasting his own race like he did. How could Bill Cosby possibly be in touch with the "Poor Black Community?" He is one of the elite in terms of his financial status for Americans or in the world for that matter. However I was able to look beyond his delivery and really hear a message. His words could have been motivating if he would have used better judgment, possibly if he did not make the statement in front of African Americans that probably were very eager to get this story out to the world. I think the reason for the slow progress of our race is we hate each other. To sum up my statements I guess I have a question. Why does the NAACP only get involved with issues that deal with instances of injustices against blacks when our main obstacles are each other? Black on black crime does more to impede the progress of the Black Community than any other issue. I have a greater fear of being harmed by my own race than by any other. Can the NAACP shift its focus on bettering blacks in this regard?

I sent an earlier e-mail in which I disagreed with part of your book. Namely (and I can't remember your exact words) you stated that the economy (culture?) was creating enough well paying jobs in an increasingly technological world. Mr. Sowell's position, with which I agree, is that isn't about to change and education is important. Blacks should emulate Asians who do better than everyone else.

But I think Mr. Cosby was nitpicking when he criticized American-African names. He should get real. Names are a reflection of your identity and something that should make you unique.

So Mr. Cosby is dead wrong on that issue.

As far as kids wearing their pants down around their asses, my long-time girlfriend's 18-year-old son and all his friends do the same thing. He works hard at a Subway sandwich shop and will be starting college this fall. He is a good young man who just wants to fit in with his friends.

I did the same when I started high school in the 1950s. The de rigeur then was Levis and white t-shirts. I wore them because I wanted to fit in too. Who wanted to dress differently and be considered a dork? I went on to graduate from both college and law school and had a great career.

In short, names and clothing for young people mean nothing. But well paying manufacturing jobs are vanishing and this is becoming a service society. Young blacks should bite the bullet, "act white" and pursue a good education. Charges of racism aside, this is a white dominated society that sets the standards and rules. I've had to follow a lot of them that I disagreed with and I'm white (i.e. a honkey).

But your book does offer a lot to think about. Resumes rejected because of black sounding names? That's bad as is rejecting rental applications. The society does have room for improvement. But until then, it is best to, as least as far as education is concerned, try for the brass ring.

I think they are both correct in their own way.

I like how Michael Dyson explores Bill Cosby but I think he is supplying a lot of excuses for the black people who have choices but choose not to do anything with their lives.

I give Bill Cosby props for his boldness but now he knows, anyone is bound to fault and that is something he needs to know... He needs to deal with his demons first before he talks about other people problems.

What if we stopped squawking about Cosby/Dyson, rich/poor, black/white etc. and started looking at the fact that OUR YOUTH (that is all of them) are killing each other at alarming rates? What if we stopped spending money and time trying to prove who's right and who's wrong and started really thinking about what, as a race (and I mean the human race) we're going to do about this world we've created? Put the egos away gentlemen and start to really think about how we can heal this catastrophic crisis of self-loathing and lack of respect for life.

Both are wrong and right. Both need to understand that it’s too late to try and be a leading voice for African Americans. The whites have won. No one can save us or be our voice. Many of my relatives and friends feel the same way. Any courage and ability to fight injustice has diminished for our people. We hang on hope of someone stepping up to be a voice, but we don’t realize that whites don’t care about who is our voice because they still have won since man can be controlled. I watched the interview Mr. Dyson did with Ted Koppel. I was discouraged even more as I listened to one of Mr. Cosby's supporters. He was a perfect example of an African American disconnected from his society. These are the only kind that will get in higher places because levels are regulated by the same ones who oppress African Americans. In Saint Louis City we have African American idiots in high level society who have hung all the poor “nigras” out to dry. They are self not people motivated, which in turn have ruined any hope. The fact that I live in a city that ranks in 3rd place of the most racially divided gives me little encouragement for my children’s future. The city has camouflaged its dirty doings toward poor by advertising this city to others as an entertaining diverse area. I just hang my head in disappointment because many African Americans have been kicked out of the only areas they have ever known (downtown) and the whites used our own people to do the dirty work. It hurts to think of all of my ancestors dying in vain because we have not accomplished that true level of equality. The anguish seen on the faces of my sisters cuts me even deeper than anything. I feel such deep despair as I walk pass them on the streets. In various malls many are weighed down with arms filled with children and the African American males are walking hand in hand with a white girl. Many of my sisters are turning to lesbian relationships not because they are gay but because it’s cheaper and safe. Knowing these facts make me regret bringing any children in the world because these unnatural affection would ultimately be shoved down their throats.

I believe both Mr. Dyson's and Mr. Cosby's arguments are sound. I believe that our time is now to reclaim the poor in our race. There has to be some responsibility placed on the middle and upper class African-Americans for reclaiming the poor. We have seen that the majority, Caucasians, have had no interest in their wellbeing, they have even made things worse (breaking up the Black family, making Black people dependent on a failing system - welfare, etc). The power Black families had during the Civil Rights era was lost and dismantled. If the middle and upper class have been exposed to the tools needed to overcome poverty, then we should be using those tools to help those that were not exposed to those tools. My goddaughter going into the 7th grade in New York City had to take an exam with a thousand other kids and was accepted to the number one school in the city. This school only accepts 22 applicants a year. If she keeps a 90 or above grade point average, Oprah Winfrey will pay for her 4 years of college. Mr. Cosby, Oprah Winfrey, and others have been philanthropic and are pouring money into the college funds across America. We need to start early in the kindergartens, elementary, and middle schools so that our children's high school years will just be confirmation that the child will go on to higher heights. College should be overemphasized but it is not for everyone. Trade schools and other alternative careers should also be presented to our children. A career will make any person feel self-achievement and help to make our country remain productive. The same way organizations adopt a piece of the highway to clean it up is the same principle the middle and upper class should have. I believe we are just waiting for our leadership to get out and do what should have been done. We are waiting for someone else to take the lead. Instead of empowering ourselves to get off our asses and do what needs to be done. We can also be hindered because of the cop out that what ill manners have already been instilled in the child can not be rerouted or changed, no matter how hard you try to help. It will take time and money to turn around 40 (Civil Rights era) + 400 (slavery) years of neglect. I listened to Dr. Michael Youseff, pastor of Leading Your Way this morning and his sermon was on remembrance. He said if there were no memorials in Washington, D.C. for different wars in our past, people would soon forget and make the same mistakes of the past. America wants to forget about slavery and what it did to the psyche of the African-American but it resonates so deep when you see the dysfunction of our people. America needs to know the truth about slavery and what it did to our people. It needs to be replayed in their minds over and over again (like all the countless Holocaust memorials) until they feel some sense of remorse or empathy for our people. Then they will not be so quick to continue to judge Black people in America. Once again, we have to stop worrying about what White America thinks about us and Black America needs to rectify the wrongs of our lifetime. The bottom line is the middle and upper class needs to invest their time and money. Groups throughout the states should be organized to come to the aid of urban and rural schools. They can invest their time by mentoring and having a strong presence in that school. They should be able to invest their money tax deductible, if the school needs computers for their schools, etc. We know that there are disparities in the white majority vs. black majority schools in America. We need to level the playing ground. There are very influential African-Americans in America that should be using those skills to make the lives of our children enriched. The poorer children just have not had their horizons enlarged, they cannot see past their reality. If a child sees more out of life and is exposed to more in this life, then they will want more out of life. They will realize that criminal acts will not be able to get them where they need to be in life.

I think that you both are right. Someone needs to "call out" the "ghetto" mentality. Someone has to call it wrong. Bill Cosby did that. Did Bill Cosby go too far? Yes he did. Does Bill Cosby need to be confronted with his own academic record? Yes he does. Is Dr. Dyson right with the points that he makes in his commentary? Yes he is.

In order to overcome the MOUNTAIN that is placed on people of Color in this country, we will need the Bill Cosby approach and the Dr. Dyson approach. Just like a family needs a father and mother figure...we need these two approaches to work together. Dr. Dyson plays the mother in this relationship. He nurtures and says, "Okay baby, you may be bad but it's not your fault. Momma loves and God loves you and you need to love yourself." Brother Cosby plays the daddy, "Boy...you need to wake the heck up and stop being so trifling! Quit your whining! Get to Work!" We need both momma and daddy!

Dr. Dyson...while I commend your writing of this book, let me make two points:

1) Please remember the millions of dollars that Cosby donated to HBCU's in the eighties. He can't be a sell out when he donates 50 million dollars to HBCU's.

2) I would be scared to debate you to! Only Cornel West has a grander grasp over the English Language.

I think Cosby's comments hit the nail on the head for all of the irresponsible activity we (African Americans) are guilty of. I don't agree with the way he chose to deliver his message. Most of us who mean well and really care are not as articulate and well educated as Dr. Dyson and would probably make many more mistakes than Cosby in expressing our frustrations. We all have to take the best of what others have to offer and focus on the positive. The last thing in the world we need is to be steered into controversy and infighting. We don't need our issues to be defined by the whims of the white media who love to highlight two well respected black men dissing one another. Dr. Dyson, you are too smart to fall into that trap. You should take Cosby's name and photo off of the cover of your book and sell it for its substance and not for the controversy. You should apologize for your comments on Cosby's infidelity and personal short comings. You should keep writing to Cosby until he agrees to co-author a book with you that helps and not one that divides. Black people will always find areas of disagreement about how to "come up" but we have to try harder to stay focused on the solutions. Right now as you promote your tour and court the media there are a lot of black college students struggling financially to stay in school and some graduates can't afford advanced degrees. If you insist on selling controversy that we don't need and feeding the media monster you should give all the profits to struggling future leaders who have more positive things to focus on than Dyson Versus Cosby.

I love you both and God Bless you both.

I believe there is some truth to every story and therefore I believe that both Drs. Cosby and Dyson are correct.

However, living across from the Ida B. Wells housing project in Chicago, I see on a daily basis what Dr. Cosby is talking about. I've worked with the children of the lower-class and see that there are many parents who do nothing to help their children be successful and, yes, a lot of times these people are drug addicts so they are not in the mental capacity to help anyone including themselves.

Yet, many of these children are bright and want to learn and with the right encouragement they can succeed.

My only question to Dr. Dyson is would it not be more useful to attack those who are making the decisions that keep us down? What about writing books on George Bush or the Congressional Black Caucus or even those in large city councils like in Chicago where they rubber stamp everything that Mayor Daley says.

We don't need any leaders or intellectuals sitting in their office or in their suburban homes talking about what po' black folks need.

Even during the Civil Rights Movement it was the ministers and the so-called black elite that made the decisions about how to gain social acceptance as citizens of the United States. The black lower class has always been left out of the conversation and the decision making.

We need you, Dr. Dyson, Al Sharpton, Minister Farrakhan and Jesse Jackson to come over to Ida B., Cabrini-Green and the Ickes homes and talk to these people about what THEY need. Then to put together a plan (like Dr. Claud Anderson's Powernomics) and take it to all the black communities touting personal responsibility, civil responsibility and using our power as a group to make changes for ourselves.

We've "been there, done that" about waiting on the white power structure to break us off a little somethin', somethin'. IT AIN'T WORKING!!! Instead of a Million More March what about implementing the Poor People's March that Dr. King was planning before his assassination?

We can no longer afford to write about the problems because really that's just preaching to the choir. Those who need it most aren't hearing the message and are not reading the books.

ACTION is needed. Dr. King is the ONLY one who was a true leader because he brought about social change in the way America treated blacks and had to deal with us. We need social change. The question is…who is willing to risk it all (life) to do that?

The only reason why we are even having this discussion is because Dr. Cosby violated what syndicated columnist Clarence Page calls "Black Political Correctness." Black political correctness states "you don't air our dirty laundry in public, especially not in front of white folks!" If anyone violates black political correctness, they are feared to justify why we should be dominated by the white race.

If I understand you correctly Dr. Dyson you don't disagree with Bill Cosby when he talks about personal responsibility, but your concern is that he seems to ignore the obstacles in place that prevent poor blacks from elevating themselves out of poverty. Dr. Cosby is not questioning the theory, but the practice. He is not questioning their beliefs, but their behavior. You know behavior that contradicts getting out of poverty. In terms of Bill Cosby's criticism of black linguistics, like it or not people judge you by the way you speak. When I worked in Tennessee, a former Chicago educator that was working along side of me said that Ebonics was a crock of…well you know. We agreed that it was a scam designed to keep teaching staffs white, and had little or nothing to do with teaching kids decent English. I understand that in some black settings you are made a fool if you try to speak proper English. But if kids don't know how to communicate, they can't make the deals that can transfer valuable resources to their downtrodden communities. Like you I agree that Bill should have left what Blacks name their children out of his inquiry. He should have left that alone. Like you I agree that societal ills won't disappear if all poor blacks whole-heartedly embraced personal responsibility, but at least they are less likely to contribute to the problem.

I agree that neither Dr. Cosby or any other influential Black should give the White race a pass, on it's legacy of bigotry, race prejudice, slavery, Jim Crow Segregation, red zoning, an increasingly irresponsible mass media, and the list goes on and on. BUT we shouldn't give ourselves a pass either; especially when it comes to Black on Black crime. Especially when it comes to conceiving our babies out of wedlock. White Supremacy has diminished from what it use to be. I by no means am saying that it no longer exists. Minister Farrakhan was right when he said at the Million Man March to stop feeding the monster (white supremacy) and let it die a natural death. But every time we drive-by-shoot, every time we use boatloads of gutter language, every time we parade our women around in butt-floss, or make babies that we are not taking care of; we provide the life support system that keeps white supremacy alive.

What far too few people are discussing is Black self-sufficiency. The whispers of Black Self Sufficiency are drowned out by the screams concerning whose "Tomming" out. I watched this weeks telecast of Tony Brown's Journal, and I was concerned about statistics he sited at the beginning of the show, including the high percentage of the Black Middle class that is employed by the government at the state, Federal, and local level. Both you and Mr. Cosby should get together to encourage Black entrepreneurship. That way those middle class blacks employed by the government don't cringe at the thought of losing their jobs every time a conservative politician promises a tax cut. Despite the advances in civil rights legislation we haven't reduced our dependency on the White Power structure. I have already discussed holding the white power structure accountable, but not by begging for bigger handouts.

Hope you respond to this. Maybe I can learn something from myself about my inquiry.

(Who do you think is right?) There is no right or wrong about the comments Bill Cosby made. He had just told what was his opinion on the way he felt that black people lived their lives blaming (the white man) for their down falls in life. When in actuality, society taught black men that if he accuses someone else for my mistake, that he's free. The truth is that we've been programmed like (crabs in a bucket), we pull each other down, instead of throwing a rope of success. (All) I quote all of the so-called famous blacks that made a name for them sometimes forget where they came from, and who helped them get there. The Cosby Show, was mostly watched by so called (poor blacks), so was Oprah. I applaud the Bill's, Oprah's and all the lime light people, but we as a race of oppressed, we should pull each other up by their bootstraps, instead of kicking them down with negative words. The Bible says the power of life and death is in the tongue, and it's true. If one is continually called the 'N' word eventually he'll start believing it. Come-on folks we only came this far by faith.

I think Bill Cosby is essentially right, however, I do believe that what he said, he said in hatred. This was evident when he implied that a suspect deserved to be killed and shot by the police, for the simple crime of stealing a bottle of coke, and some pound cake. Also when he said that God was tired of poor black folks, that right there to me, was the most hateful saying of his.

I also don't like how he attacked "black sounding" names, while disconnecting with his African roots.

With that said, again, I agree with most of what Cosby said, because poor black people have dropped the ball, in more ways than one. It's one thing to simplistically attack those blacks within the middle-class: And they do indeed deserved to be criticized, but by defending the poor, it's as you're enabling them to continue performing the same delirious way of life.

I think Bill Cosby had some good points, But why wait so long before speaking up and being more vocal in the early stages of this cultural break down?

If Whites have no right to judge and certain classes of Black folks have no right to judge, then who does? What I see going on in the black community is 74% of new AIDS cases in the US are women of color. More than half of black children born in 2004 were born out of wedlock. The state of the black family is in decayed. Blacks have no longer have the morals taught to us by our grandmothers. The ghetto mentality prevails where black folks are concerned. Someone has to say something!!

I have to admit there is some validity to what Bill Cosby has been so passionately campaigning about, but I wholeheartedly agree with Michael Dyson in the aspect of the nature or approach that Cosby took on the issue. Being a young black male of 23, I took offense to some of what Cosby said about our youth and feel that he was out of place with some of his comments as well as he would be out of place if he were in the ghetto himself! If there were a side to take (which I always respect that Dyson isn't about sides just what is right!) I would have to lean towards Michael E. Dyson because I can relate to him. The fact that he is closer in age and Bill Cosby seems to have a vendetta against young (black) people is somewhat irrelevant. I simply like Dyson's take on the matter because he seems to still be in touch w/the (black or lower income/hard working) class of America. Of course he is well off now but it seems as though he has never forgotten where he comes from and who gets the glory. He is the "Kanye West" of intellect and political & social issues in our culture and America. [Hope that doesn't offend you Mike but I love and respect you and Kanye is my boy and favorite artist--hence the reason for the analogy!] One! Be blessed.

As a middle-aged white male, I find it peculiar to see the kind of furor caused by Bill Cosby's comments. Bill Cosby has obviously crossed over into curmudgeon think. Not to be unkind, but public figures sometimes reach an age where they either become more candid, or perhaps more jaded. They utter statements that set off protests and debates. So, is Bill Cosby right? Who can say? I've had black friends and acquaintances voice opinions that would set off just as much controversy. And as Mr. Dyson points out in his book, those sorts of opinions are usually expressed in private. Saying someone is right or wrong is presumptuous. Who is the final authority? God? Is it a matter of judge not lest ye be judged? Who is in a position to know? It might be better to phrase it as whether one agrees with Bill Cosby or not. And it isn't simply a matter of semantics. Our political/philosophical debate environment has become too toxic for any serious exchange of ideas. Someone has to be wrong, and someone has to be right. Take no prisoners. Trash the person who dares to offer any idea counter to the norm. It isn't simply a case of political correctness. Sunshine remains the best disinfectant. If others took Mr.Cosby's example and expressed themselves, everyone with an interest can make choices of whether to agree or disagree. Mr. Dyson is obviously concerned that Bill Cosby's views can damage those blacks that are already disadvantaged. Bill Cosby is not an elected official. He owns no corporation that I know of that would impact society. If he inspires others, that is their choice. Perhaps that is the key word in all of this: Choice.

My opinion on this subject is just that: an opinion. I do not necessarily believe that all poor people speak improperly, let their children run buck wild, or not take pride in their appearance or act disrespectfully. However I am not so naive to believe everyone will share my point of view. All I can say is that I am a volunteer at my kid's school, I do not own my own home at this time, my car is six years old, and I am not a "soccer mom". I am 35; I take care of my own home, my diabetic mother and my Alzheimer grandmother. But I don't complain I just do what I gotta do. So why are there parents out there that let their kids, young kids, talk to them crazy, let alone go out into the world and do the same thing. And when someone calls them on that and will not tolerate their behavior, the parent is at the school, or playground, or on the block, about to "blow that mother" up instead of using the event as a lesson?

All this to say, we as parents are here to raise quality individuals, and we are not doing a good job of that. Look, we are not being good stewards over the little advancement that black folk fought for and we are giving up ground daily. Every day I teach my two boys that their are certain things that we do and don't do, and do not kid yourself. Sagging your pants, growing your hair, speaking like an idiot, and cussing in two languages is not part of the curriculum. So should Mr. Cosby have said what he said in public? Our kids say just what he said in shopping malls and on the nightly news everyday. And only we can change that. If you truly loved your kids, you would do it anyway.

I think that Mr. Cosby's overall message was parenting, education, and responsibility, which we as African Americans desperately need in our community. I think that in terms of public perception, Mr. Cosby is definitely correct in his assessment of African Americans, not just poor or individual African Americans but all African Americans as a whole. We all are in this together to include Mr. Cosby. The calling of us, by us, for us to recognize our concerns, and step up to the plate and handle our business is not a bad thing. With that being said, I think that Mr. Cosby has been a public figure long enough to understand that by virtue of his position in society, anything he says regarding political, religious, and social issues could be scrutinized. Therefore he should have been a little more cautious in his selection of words and a little more sensitive in the manner in which his speech was delivered. In my opinion, it is not what Mr. Cosby said; it is how he said it.

Brother Cosby, Be a little more sensitive.

Brother Dyson, Keep up the good work.

Now Let's get to work and handle our business!

Mr. Dyson and Mr. Cosby should sit together and discuss each other's points of view. A line has been drawn that now divides a group that doesn't need to be any more divided. Mr. Cosby's statements no matter how inflammatory they may be have harsh truths (as all satire and comedy does). Mr. Dyson asks Mr. Cosby to explain his comments in regards to his previous actions (rightfully so). However, I'm not sure I want either to have the spotlight or vocalize their opinions on each other's views and therefore tell me as a Black male what my social conscience should be. Put in context, Mr. Cosby makes valid points about the current state of Black youth. Under represented in Post graduate work, over-represented in The Department of Corrections is the truth…our diversity and heritage has nothing to do with rejecting cultural norms and not making strides in areas such as education, economics, etc. For every Puffy and Russell Simmons (CEO's of companies) there are countless jobs that don't allow baggy pants, gold chains, etc….lawyers, accountants, and doctors are just some of these jobs. Expressing our culture shouldn't be framed by how low our jeans hang or how much slang we use.

Our "icons" HAVE become those with NBA scoring titles, Benz's, and zeroes in their bank accounts. Like Charles Barckley said, "Just because I can dunk a basketball, doesn't mean I should be a role model." As far as I'm concerned Bill Cosby is a pioneer but to be frank, I don't know the man well enough to call him a role model. The fact that he is a rich entertainer and familiar face doesn't mean that I value his views more than my Uncle or my neighbor.

I've watched Mr. Dyson be interviewed (can you let the interviewers finish their thoughts BEFORE you jump in?), and would rather he ask Mr. Cosby for a response rather than sell his book. Dyson rides the hype of the anti-Cosby backlash from his comments, which generalized and trivialized important issues BUT addressed some issues that don't get mentioned.

Shame on both of you for making this a media circus instead of finding some common ground to discuss that which you both acknowledge is a serious problem. Your differing opinions are only available because you both have access to the media…none of what either of you expressed is unique, insightful, or original…try something different…address the problems and then take action…otherwise your complaints are unique because of your status only.

I saw Mr. Dyson on C-SPAN2, and heard the exchange between him and the lady reporter/author, and I also listened to the Cosby speech that caused such a ruckus. I must say that both have good points, but if the parents of children are not checking their homework and knowing who they are running with when they get old enough to run, then something truly is amiss. Good parenting is learned, and I think many present day parents fell through the cracks because of things not taught by their parents and that they just don't have the awareness or skills to be a good parent. I think Mr. Cosby is just trying to point out the fact that too many children are raised by parents who just don't know how to be a parent and he is trying to illustrate that in his own way. Not being from the present generation, with all the trappings and influences he did not experience, he is looking at it from a partial and limited point of view. Lyndon Johnson's Great Society of the sixties is partially to blame for the separation of many fathers and mothers and of robbing many individuals of their sense of self and the skills to accept their responsibilities. Parents have much more stress today just keeping the electricity turned on and food on the table than their parents had just a couple of decades ago. The world today is not easy, bad influences are everywhere and in many neighborhoods, where people come from that Mr. Cosby was referring to, have little opportunity and little influence to direct today's children to a better way to behave.

True, he could have more direct and confrontational on his TV show, but he was just an actor playing a part for a lot of money, and perhaps he didn't want to bite the hand that fed him. However, better late than never, he is reaching out to try and wake up present day parents who have a chance to do for their children what their parents did not do for them. Hearing Mr. Cosby, they can't say they didn't know any other way to be, and perhaps he reached some that see his intent and agree with him and will make an effort to see that they protect their children from negative influences that can hurt them. But Mr. Dyson has a valid point of being in your face when you have the opportunity to do good, but Mr. Cosby just didn't see it then and didn't use the power for change and influence he had at the time he had it. Still, he is trying to do something now and has at least started bringing the situation on many talk shows where many of those who hear and see it will think of the truthfulness in what he says. Perhaps it can help in some way to start guiding some children in a better direction.

I believe that both are right about some aspects of their argument(s). However, I believe that Cosby has the preponderance of the good points.

Michael Dyson is fond of quoting rappers and I saw his quote of a Tupac rap on the show "After Word". Those words did speak of pain and suffering about the conditions that a great deal of us is born into. However, it appears that Michael Dyson either has blinders on in regards to the true nature of the problem in Black America or he has some other motive for defending the behavior rebuked by Cosby.

It is up to us as black people and more importantly just people, to attempt to ensure that the area that we choose to live is safe for us and our children. In doing this there should be some rule for acceptable public behavior. If someone is not obeying those rules whether he or she be black or white then they should be criticized. I also believe that the language in rap music in particular goes a long way in negatively influencing that public behavior (dirty laundry seen at 2:30 --Cosby). If it does not influence people then tell all those people on Madison Avenue to just go home because no one can be influenced.

I think black people who want to embrace street culture need to realize that a great many white people just laugh at it. Hmmm…how can I say this? I think the biggest threat to the true racist white people is the black man or woman who understands how to speak English correctly and/or how bonds are related to stocks and/or the inner workings of a fission reactor. I also have to admit that the desire to learn should be created by the parents or at least an attempt should be made to create that desire.

I also, understand that in great many neighborhoods it's hard to worry about things like stocks or bonds or proper English. There are single parents who have to worry about money for one thing or another for themselves and their kids. They shouldn't have the additional worry of those guys on the street looking to cause trouble in one way or another. The people looking to cause additional troubles should be criticized. I think that's where the Cosbys and Farrakhans come in.

Why fight? I understand we need discussion about this issue. I grew up in a household that had a history of KKK membership. I am a 43-year-old white male who turned his back on his father over hatred. I have worked very hard for over 20 years to over come my childhood.

The question is what message does the society want? What are we (the society) willing to pay for entertainment? I watched the Cosby show many times as a kid. The jokes were funny and the characters lovable. Today I'm torn between the entertainment value and the racial issue.

My opinion…I love Michael's passion about the issue. My hope is that he understands he is dealing with a greater issue other than race: which is what is entertainment? Perhaps Michael's effort would be better spent dealing with what is entertainment.

My kids love The Fresh Prince reruns and other "black" sitcoms. They don't understand the power of influence they have upon them. I work at being fair-minded. I know I am not. I've been in a number of neighborhoods of the poor (black and white)—I grew up in a welfare home—my kids have never missed a meal or had to work, so they have no idea of the plight of the lower class. These shows give them a false sense of the world they live in. I do my best to stop them from seeing this image — including turning off the TV. My wife though suffers from a lack of seeing the bigger picture.

I know I can't change the world. I do what I can to inspire love. I look to Carlos Santana as a role model. In my shallow opinion he is a representative of the Buddha. Let me be clear. I don't like Santana's music. I LOVE his soul and the way he spread love. I've read many of his interviews—they are all the same—filled with love. Even if a person had said something really ugly about his is response if with love. I can think of no better way to live.

Thank you Michael for your work. Please consider the bigger picture. I'd love to join your fight for a happier world.

May the universe (Buddha, God, Isis or whomever you call director of the universe) reward you with a kinder gentler and more loving world.

Well, where do I begin Mr. Dyson? I like probably the majority of young black men, who come from the "ghetto" but managed to toe the line and make it out, am stuck in the middle of this debate. I agree with many things you have said. You have actually enlightened me to the sensitivity and love that I need to have for my fellow African-American. I also agree with Mr. Cosby and understand where his frustrations must come from. I feel that embarrassment that you speak of, from time to time. I don't feel ashamed though. I am a teacher in the inner city and my heart is broken on the daily Mr. Dyson. Now, I am not naive and I am aware of what poverty can do to a person or a family. On the other hand, I see lethargy, apathy, just plain not caring about the child's education. This is important because you and I know the importance of a solid education. I know there are plenty of reasons that escape me and I am struggling. I am struggling not to be angry, frustrated, apathetic, disillusioned and disenfranchised. I need for you to give me some insight and answers to why and what can I do to alleviate some of these cyclical behaviors. Also, I am a huge fan of yours and look to you for wisdom, your incredible vocabulary, and your insight on many issues that face us in America today. Please respond to this query Mr. Dyson.

Thank you for allowing me to air my views.

I think Bill Cosby was 80% correct in calling the spiritually dead Negro to task. Fifty years after Brown v. Board of Education we, as a people still do not have self-knowledge, self-love or self-encouragement to any significant extent.

The poor are still poor, anesthetized by materialism and a misguided worship of European ideals, we engage in superficial materialistic exercises which serve as short term fixes for intergenerational problems. I live in the inner city. I live it everyday. Not from an Ivy League campus! I ain't mad at you for teaching where you do, but stop and think before you wash our laundry in front of the Caucasian community and it's media.

We need economic unity. We need cultural unity. We need to teach the young ones that we can stand together and move our culture forward.

We really need to put aside superficial differences and build a program (Afrikan in nature) that will last at least 500 years.

I love Michael Eric Dyson!

I love Bill Cosby!

My world will accommodate Afrikans of all persuasions.

We are ONE!

I enjoyed your interview on CSPAN over the weekend. You have deeply held convictions and that is refreshing to see, even though our political beliefs are vastly divergent.

To the point:

Condi, Colin, and Clarence are highly accomplished people and it hurts your credibility when you browbeat and dismiss their accomplishments simply because you're a Democrat and they align with the Republican Party. Might the Black Leadership do better to acknowledge the accomplishments of African Americans of all political ilks, instead of alienating highly successful conservative African Americans?

That aside, I enjoyed hearing your reasoned opinion on the Cosby incident. I think Cosby should be applauded for stepping out of the shadows and voicing his opinion. It's not like this is unique to Cosby -- celebrities the world over voice their social commentary at odd and/or self-serving times (see Jane Fonda, Al Franken, Leonardo DiCaprio, Arnold Swarzeneggar etc).

This White Male Republican hopes to hear more from you in the future…. Ever thought of trying to get a meeting at the White House w/ Dubya off the record? I realize he lives a highly guarded life but I think his ideas translate well to the African American community (i.e. Personal savings accounts, school vouchers, lower taxes on small businesses). I also understand that he is not well liked in the Black community and I'm tired of Republicans writing-off the black contingency without even trying! Force the issue Michael and good luck.

As a transplanted Northerner I see clear evidence of both perspectives. Cosby comes from a time where people wanted to see and do better for themselves. He sounds to rise against cultural mediocrity. Dyson seems to come from a perspective to be the voice of the God of the Oppressed as James Cone describes. I believe that there are structures that have been designed to keep people down. Bill Cosby is not the only person that feels this way, I am sure. Many black successful middle-class buppies feel this way as they speak of growing up in the projects. While I am sure that many people give back a donation does not substitute time in the community. Countless other successful Afro-American athletes, politicians, preachers, and philosophers alike need to step up to the plate replacing a donation and turning away from the social ills of the society to speaking for those who have no voice. Thank you for your commentary and for exposing Cosby but not extinguishing the flame that says we can do better.

Bill Cosby and M. Eric Dyson are like the blind men who fussed and fought over what the elephant looked like. They are BOTH right. Racism is still alive and kicking, and many poor black folk bear the brunt of it from the majority (whites), other minorities (Hispanics, Asians and Jews) and, sadly, from black people (usually black middle class). But, what Bill Cosby says is also right to a degree. Poor black people are throwing up their hands in despair and allowing the abyss to take over. We do not have that luxury—we can and MUST do (even a little bit) better than we are doing.

Mr. Dyson make a few good points, but he lost some of his points by trying to argue with everything Mr. Cosby said. Some of which was harsh but true. Every medicine won't taste good. Artificially flavoring of our problems, is the reason we have not solved most of them.

I think that both parties are right. I do believe that parents need to take responsible for the children's education. I know that my mother has worked hard over the years so that I could receive a degree. But I do not believe that Mr. Cosby should have exploited our community like that in the media. It's bad enough that our community has a bad image. We really do not need one of us to add to the problem of stereotypes.

I believe that Cosby and Dyson are two great intellects and so my first question is…what happened to freedom of speech? Cosby and Dyson both are entitled that constitutional right. It just seems that Dyson is making money by criticizing Cosby's speech. I have not read nor heard any solutions and promises both humanitarian or financially on Dyson's behalf. In every conversation that I have heard Dyson he says he is willing for a dialogue with Cosby but that will require Dyson to stop being so defensive. By talking fast or loud does not make your point clear or understandable. Like your grandmother says, "I tell you this because I love you." Cosby opened the eyes of the black community by standing out and saying what needed to be said. I commend Cosby for standing up and saying what's needed to be said. Many ("Not All") blacks are living for the day. I witness the lack of parenthood in many families and areas of the city. I mean that by saying no savings, no future plans. Dyson himself says you should challenge people and who's to say that this is not Cosby's tactic? I challenge everyone to stand up for what's right no matter how who says what but it has always been said the truth will set you free.

Have NOT read ur book, but I've heard ur views previously. Today, I caught ur interview on C-SPAN2 "After Words" w/Debra Dickerson. Great discussion and I most certainly appreciate ur thoughtful insights & commentary. I have enjoyed ur contributions over the years.

My brotha, I THINK I understand ur passionate posture on Cosby. And I may agree, but we all need to focus on the 'goals'. I am not saying that U should change ur critique of Bill -"To thine ownself, be true."

However, Debra's suggestion that U & Bill sit down & just 'rap' was excellent. Just like when MLK & Malcolm finally got together—to find that their commonality was far greater than presumed & their goals very similar.

I trust that the 'Black Wise Men' can make this happen. It need not be public. We don't need brothas who both love black folks wasting precious energy critiquing each other on an ongoing basis. The tasks ahead are too daunting, as exemplified by "The World is Flat" by Tom Friedman. [Now, 'Uncle Thomas' & 'Miss Rice-Bowl' are different issues. Not even prayer could help them!] Can I get a witness!! Thx much.

I have no idea who is right or wrong in this debate. All I know is that Mr. Dyson speaks many, many words—and to the uneducated, this sounds great—but ultimately says (or proves) nothing.

They both have valid points, But I must comment that I am tired of educated minorities (as Mr. Cosby must be) making excuses for black cultural behavior. While Mr. Dyson make a wonderful argument for the plight of middle and low income black people, as an educated Black man I must say that the decision for uplifting oneself has to start with the individual. The system that we may be under has no bearing on what we can or cannot do, and the sooner that the make the black underclass understand this the better for us as a whole. For example, Mr. Dyson excuses colorful Black names as an avenue for depressed blacks to express their culture. He fails to signify the importance of not excluding ourselves from the system. But I guess this is a matter of philosophy. My personal one is that to win the game and defeat the system, just like in the Matrix movie, you have to be master of the system, and defeat it from the inside. The current racist system is very similar and expects outside resistance so it is well prepared for that eventuality. It is not however prepared for us Black people to dominate from being just like them.

American black people still seem to be very deep in mental slavery and cannot think outside themselves. The fact that Americans speak differently from whites is so basic a root cause of racism in America and it amazes me. Other cultures speak different languages but know how to assimilate when in main stream. I am curious why blacks do not do this.Free Your Minds, and the rest will follow!

Michael and Bill are correct in their assessments of the status of African Americans along the lines they tread. The big HOWEVER, is they do not address the WHY? Every child is born with a clean slate that allows for tremendous growth and development. WHY, then, do African American children, males in particular, struggle in the educational and social environments. WHY, are some African American children, despite the "oppression, racism, and pit fall's of society, are able to achieve and in many cases surpass their social counterparts? Simply put, THEY CAN READ. Ask G. Reid Lyon, Ph.D. of the Child Development and Behavior Branch, National Institutes of Child Health and Human Development, about the impact of the ability to read on mental and social development. Query the neuro-scientist that have identified the time and sequence in a child's growth and development that cognitive neuro-systems must develop for reading and comprehension advancement. Ask me and I will tell you why Johnny can not read, is treated as ADD/ADHD, treated for Asthma, struggles in the social environment and perpetuities the cycle of poor academic performance in the educational environment. Pre-Kindergarten children in Georgia are better prepared for next level than ever before. Yet by the 3rd grade they struggle to get close to national norms, WHY? Reading is not fundamental; it is a learned skill that requires multiple components to provide the opportunity for advancement. You would think that Bill and Michael are out side of the box, they are not. The U.S. Department of Education has and is spending millions of dollars in grant money to connect scientific research and education. Smiles Are Meaningful is a research group that has identified specific factors that impact the neuro anatomical growth and development of children 3-5 years old, particularly in African American children. These years are the critical years for reading and reading comprehension development, without which educational advancement will be difficult.

Both Mr. Cosby & Dr. Dyson have overrated their opinions and what they mean to the people concerned. I would wager that most poor black people don't give a sh*t what Bill has to say and while Dr. Dyson is a very intelligent man, his defense of "poor blacks" falls very short. Again, I would wager that most people reading his book would wonder who the hell he is talking about.

We (non-rich black people) are certainly not as clueless as he portrays us and have long recognized that there are some among us who are trifling (see Chris Rock's definition of "niggers"). There is something true in what both of them say, but in the long run, most black people are independent-minded and do not need more so-called spokesmen telling us how to live. Many non-rich black people have great children, no dirty laundry and no need for intellectuals defending us or for senile old men breaking us down. I think Bill and the Doctor need a reality check.

Cosby's point is dull, wrought with insensitive delivery, though I think his message is closer to the truth than Mr. Dyson's. Intellectuals like Dyson take wider angles when dissecting an issue, but it doesn't make the views expressed any more relevant. To the point, history books tell the true plight of any culture, whether it is Anglo-Saxon or African-American. Cosby offers a different approach to directing a cultural issue the history books have covered with grief and disparity over the past hundreds of years. America is the land where the influential are the bold, and the bold are the influential. In my opinion, the influential and bold black folk, as Dyson refers, have not led the black community even close to the intended target, unless I have completely misinterpreted the target. I'll be the first to emphasize my feelings of displeasure with the right-wing approach to governance we are currently under, but the fight STARTS at home. We, as a cultural community sharing the same land, take action where we can. And no matter how far or wide that action is taken to heart, you can bet that the person in the mirror, and those surrounding, will take it further than the heart. It will be transformed into everyday action. Action, not dialect, turns tables. Condi Rice, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson are the most visible and influential black folk who are transforming the right way, by attempting to pave a way for the future of black America. The majority of, not all, rap artists are paving a one-way ticket to naivete for the young black community by glorifying violence, sexism, the "game," etc., providing a lackluster vision to not only blacks, but to any unguided American. (Pretty much all talking points here could be directed at other cultures, but this discussion focuses on the black community) Visions of "bling-bling" have guided entrepreneurs like P-Diddy and Russell Simmons, not visions of a better black America; therefore, these two entrepreneurs are passing down the same ultra-simplistic "bling- bling" vision. The majority of money these guys make comes from the pockets of the poorest Americans, which happens to the targeted market. Capitalism is the "American" way, but is it the systems' fault very few people are willing to take a true lead in the pursuit of a better (black) America. No matter the culture, Cosby's belief is at the root of the remedy, though his delivery is far from acceptable.

I read the excerpt on MSNBC.com. Although Cosby may not have it completely right, neither does he have it completely wrong. It would do well to step back and understand the goals of black citizens, black society, and black culture. If those goals include self-sufficiency, peaceful society, artistic expression, educational advancement, spiritual enlightenment, and co-existence with non-blacks, then some hard questions need to be asked. If those goals are to create a society-within-a-society, then a separate language, separate desire for education, separate understanding of the rule of law, and separate definition of self sufficiency then ignoring the debate is the order of the day. It would seem posing questions on family structure, peaceful co-existence, how to be a citizen in America, and archetypes and heroes are good ones to struggle with.

If the goal is literate, ethical, responsible, and contributing individuals, then a look at the self-destructive tendencies and patterns is good. If the goal is illiterate, criminal, irresponsible, wards of the state with little hope, then no change is necessary and you will reap profits from angst-ridden liberals and angry blacks.

(White former-liberal who's opinions come after working in inner city schools in Boston, NYC, and Atlanta)

Dear Mr. Dyson,

First let me give you some background info on myself so perhaps you understand where I'm coming from. I'm a white working class background American female who's lived in Europe for the last 17 years. I have three kids, two are adopted from India, and one is very mentally handicapped. My sister has five children who are half-black American. Believe it or not I've also seen racism firsthand here in Eastern Europe due to my two kids who for many here are Romany or (gypsies). We've been spat on, not served, yelled at, ignored etc. My older son who is white attended French school. He was not included in clubs, pictures of races he won, etc. In any event here is the gist of my argument. I would like to see Black Americans rise up in education and take positions of power in the US. This can only be done, however, in stopping the victim complex some of my relatives (i.e. nieces, nephews) and friends seem to have and using it as an excuse to not get up. I realize there's still racism in America. While in a hotel on Long Island a friend of mine who's African-American walked into the breakfast room and received several nasty looks (I was shocked I thought that had stopped in the 1970s). Secondly I've noticed that on university campuses there are a large percentage of fraternities, sororities etc. that are only for Black Americans. I find this sad. I understand that Black Americans, (especially men) are often minorities on campus and need a support system but I also find, however that it would be good to see more groups that are integrated and based on the principle of trying to understand each other. I believe black Americans must keep and cherish their rich cultural identity, but not the identity of poverty. My own origins are Irish. The same problems that appear in news stories about minorities especially in urban areas appeared in the news about Irish people some 100 years ago. I think that rap music that glamorizes mistreatment of women, and tells young men that they have to be cool as the most important part of their identity is tragic. My nephew has already been stopped by the police and charged with some gang stuff. This is because he thinks he's trying to identify with something he feels is black. I feel this is an insult to the black community as a whole to say that this entire rap culture etc. is black. (If it was rap music about politics then it would be something worthy of this community: like the riots in Mali). I have to admit that after my own experiences, seeing my kids have to work their bottoms off when sometimes teachers didn't want to recognize them or give them credit and not always fitting into the majority culture, often being beaten up etc. Dr. Cosby does have a point. Although I would also like to add that the federal government could do more to get schools in unfavored areas up to the same prestige level as schools in rich areas. And to get on with a nationwide campaign to make education better and to illustrate that getting further in life is cool instead of that other crap that's keeping people in their places. This would be a great help. Hope this was understandable to you and I also hope and pray that the situation for the urban poor will get better. I'll try and do my part in any event.

I think both men are right. In some respects, Cosby is ignoring the ugly truths of what being poor and trying to get by does to parental presence. I may be white, but my family's been struggling with barely sufficient jobs to get by and bounce on and off public assistance far too frequently. Most unskilled jobs are disappearing, or simply don't pay enough to get by, and because a worker is usually desperate to keep that job, the employers will abuse them mercilessly and overwork them.

However, just because a parent is not present 24/7 doesn't mean that parenting can take a back seat, and it's not just tied to the poor. I've seen poor, middle, and upper class families who do nothing to curb their children's ill behaviors. From running around, beating each other up, rudely demanding anything from their parents, talking back to them and complete strangers.

There is no reason that parents cannot tell their children to stop this behavior whether at home or in public. No reason they can't listen to their children and praise their successes if they cannot be present for them. This is not an economic class problem, or a racial class problem. Poor parenting crosses all the lines. Maybe it's a fear from the days when people were worried about punishing their child and having them taken by child welfare for making them feel bad just by making them stand in a corner or even a single swat to the rear end.

There are issues of identity, yes. But what every person has to look for within him or herself is that their behavior be what they want or expect from the employees of the businesses they patronize.